Robert A.M. Stephens
At JPL, you may want to reach out
Sun Oct 24 05:12:40 1999


to the fact some there are attempting to arrange for the construction of a UFO detector out at the 1.1c.ly distance from sol, if you are interested.

RAMS

Popeye (tGoSP)
Me thinks Bob is sitting back laughing?
Sun Oct 24 14:26:49 1999


"a UFO detector out at the 1.1c.ly distance from sol"?

I don't think so. And note the non-responses. I doubt if we
will get one. Or one that makes any sense, anyway.

Now that the "days of olde" are gone, so should Bob's B.S.,
since it, too, is quite "old". I'm just going to start
ignoring him. He might as well be dead, as far as I'm
concerned. May we all now rest in peace.

E.J.
Re: Me thinks Bob is sitting back laughing?
Sun Oct 24 14:41:17 1999


and feeling the way you do thats is a wise conclusion, but also sad, for I feel you have a lot to offer in a more positive way tGoSP.

tilos
It is worth the effort IMO to try and respond to an attempt
Sun Oct 24 15:06:47 1999


that is sincere in the manner it was written. If TGosP is right it wouldn't make a difference as my choice to reach for a common vision as it has nothing to do with what choices others may make.

It is highly possible that I may personally ask a silly question because I am not anything but a guy who likes to speculate on what the possibilities might be. I even have launch problems with model rockets so I can only imagine the effort that goes into the real thing.

Gatekeeper....
This looks like a challenge...I agree with Tilos....
Sun Oct 24 13:45:14 1999


The figure for me could use a breakdown definition...

1.1c.ly 1.1constant Light Year? Reaching I am....


Gates of Babylon....

Gatekeeper....
Oh come on...he is throwing it as a challenge of course!
Sun Oct 24 15:19:04 1999


A sort of measuring stick if you will to see if we can intelligently work through his *Hints* much like the femto-photonic leads he left us with way back when.

He is tactical, not to say I appreciate his latest tactics, but I feel it's more like a test to see what fruits the seed brings forth.

Of course his clue was a bit too cryptic as we have outlined but we do have our limits right?

I'll look back in late tonight and follow up on whatever comes about.

See ya!

Gates of Babylon....

tilos
I 'm gone till tonight as well.
Sun Oct 24 15:38:28 1999


I'm sure RAMS will give some relevant feed back.

tilos
Gate: Could observation on the abbrev.
Sun Oct 24 13:55:42 1999


I would like to see the long version of how that is written out.

I was assuming the 1.1 figure is the disstance required in order for the Solar System's gravitational fields to not interfere with a 'jump" or "Warp" or whaever it is called by those can do such things. I would assume that intra Solar System travel is sub-light speed for purely technical reasons .

Danny

Gatekeeper....
Good points in all....I am with you...
Sun Oct 24 14:13:45 1999


It needs clarification for sure.

But as you say....that distance past "SOL" or our sun so as to be clear.....my question would be which direction? And how/why choose that direction?

But I guess we are at his discretion to reply...in the mean time I am looking....

Gates of Babylon....

tilos
He was using cubic light years I now remember
Sun Oct 24 14:25:46 1999


( I actually pay attention to the intelligent stuff ) and I recall that the activity was not restricted to a particular area just that particular perimeter.

Maybe our quarantine zone as we tend to resemble the Bates Motel to peaceful intergalactic vacationers (LOL)

Gatekeeper....
Nearly a single cubic light year in linear terms...
Sun Oct 24 14:35:35 1999


Is still only a light year. now is his "SOL" statement sol as in our Sun or "Speed of Light" reference?

Gates of Babylon....

Gatekeeper....
As I re-read it he means from our sun...which direction?
Sun Oct 24 14:37:45 1999


And who/why decide on that direction?

Gates of Babylon....

Popeye (tGoSP)
Pretty soon you'll turn into Butter GK....
Mon Oct 25 03:38:46 1999


If you keep chasing your tail like that.

I think it's a "joke", not a real clue, or real information.

tilos
I disagree
Mon Oct 25 16:58:52 1999


And there are definitely signs of attempts to clue us sheeple in on a few things. The problem is verification of suspected disclosures. The MoonCam would cause a major stir I think as it would reveal something either on the way or once it arrived. My guess is it would not survive the trip but there is only one way to know for sure.

Another less expensive project would be for private citizens to begin doing there own data collection on such things as radiation levels in major cities, testing of air, soil and water samples etc...

I think there may be some unpleasant surprises but would like to know the Truth.

I am having a problem trusting at the moment and I don't like the feeling but I have no doubt true friends will be self-evident in the end through their actions.

tilos / danny

Anonymous
1.1c.ly is an interesting figure. Can you explain the
Sun Oct 24 11:46:51 1999


reason (if any) this distance would be advantageous to sensing in your words "UFO's"

I am also interested in your much earlier "phasing" comment in the Montana UFO article. I might have actually caught a glimpse of what appeared to be a distortion of some type right over the Dallas area but it was only visible for less that a minute so I might have been seeing reflected light on some clouds or something.

Danny

Accountability
Robert...
Sun Oct 24 08:57:09 1999


You have brought this up a number of times now and believe me it has not fallen on deaf ears. Would you be willing to summarize your research and thoughts on this particular issue? I for one would like to hear more. After all everything always seems to tie-in together at the end of the day! Thanks...

Grendel
Re: The Kinder, Gentler RAMS
Sun Oct 24 16:50:48 1999


Well, if it's true, I welcome it but pardon me if I allow a little time for my natural scepticism to subside. As it happens, I was reviewing Mein Kampf recently. Some of the parallels are interesting.

Hitler clearly outlined his plans for gaining power. Among them:

(1) Identify a group -Jews- on which everything can be blamed.

(2) Attack critics by identifying them with that group or as sympathetic to it.

(3) Respond to challenging questions with violence, abuse and inflammatory rhetoric, to divert the public's mind from noticing that you fail to answer.

(4) Build a loyal following by hinting at great things to come. Once you are in power, you won't have to make good. The end justifies the means.

(5) When opposed by a superior force, pretend to side with them until the opportunity arises to attack them successfully. (The pact with Stalin)

Now substitute 'Strange' for Jews. See any similarities?

Hey - RAMS is no Hitler, not even close, but I have to wonder if we're at point (5) at the moment.

I sincerely hope not, and maybe this post will be seen as counter-productive but - to carry on the analogy a bit further... there is the famous sequence that starts: "When they came for the Jews, I said nothing, because I wasn't a Jew..." etc.

So I'm saying something...posting a caveat: only time will tell. And hoping for the best. I really do feel he could make a valuable contribution here. He has before. I was a RAMS supporter at the outset, until all the nonsense started. I would like to be again.

So if the leopard really has changed his spots I apologize in advance. :)

Upgrade
Want to know the Truth
Sun Oct 24 21:38:34 1999


RAMS stands for

Remote
Agent
Master
Server

The link to "test" subjects that have AI implants.

BTW DELILIA is ??????

A joke of course ....:|

As it would be playing with fire if true... you know

GOM
Here's the only two reasons that I hate Grendel . . .
Sun Oct 24 21:37:39 1999


Warning: SSS in progress. (Severe Sarcasm Syndrome)

#1. He's way too quiet.

#2. When he finally gets around to posting something, he makes way too much sense.

Well, actually there is a third pretty good reason to hate Grendel . . . He's retired!!! Are we going to tolerate that on Hazy? It sets a very bad precedent, imo.

And now I just thought of #4 reason to hate Grendel - his posts are better than mine . . . What's up with that? I'm getting really steamed here!!!

I hope that clarifies my position and if I think of any more these excellent reasons to hate Grendel, you'll be the first to suffer.

Da Grump
Senior Vice President
of the 3G Foundation
(Get Grendel Going)

:)

Robert A.M. Stephens
it's close enough to 2000--here it is
Mon Oct 25 08:18:16 1999


About eight years ago when the first generation of SV (Silver Veil) had been finely tuned and had been up for some time these series of geostationary satellites, and a few out at the 100k mark, were humming away doing what they do.

At this four year mark data streaming back to Earth from the farthest SV cousin, at the 120,000 mile mark, began sending back data that at first was just rare static, or so the NRO and others thought. No big deal with all the other data streaming back there is going to always be some high strangeness out on the new and last frontier. These registrations continued to come in but were not understood what they were exactly.

At this same time the first +SoL detectors at FermiLabs at Berkeley were finishing their last testing and were to be deployed in space so see if any +SoL elements could be picked up out that way. Three of these were deployed on three of the SV vehicles via classified DoD shuttle launches and one unmanned Titan launch, robotically installed on target vehicle via remote.

They have functioned well and are still working with intended refinements--upgrades--coming on future shuttle flights. These fempto-photonic detectors onboard SV vehicles have been picking up what can only be described as objects transversing without interference through SoL space at +SoL speeds.

They are unknown for mass or size or description and they have no interference with any body in Sol space but they are moving at right angles through our area and everyone would like to know what they are. Their speed is roughly 3% to 14% +SoL. Their occurrence is roughly 3 to 4 times per week accruance of all detectors.

Since this first has been an issue back 8 years ago, many at JPL, since they are the ones that work unmanned boats out there, have postulated that it should be feasible to build a more dedicated vehicle devoted to these �intruders� to know more of what they are for origins, mass, shape, size, and what exactly they are. The �underground� NASA, those that do wonderful things but so and keep it from Washington until whatever the subject is--is more accepted by all internal parties to protect careers, are very interested in this and those individuals are dead serious on working this.

I have come to know about this project back in early '99. I am and have been trafficking with those that could fund this endeavor, organize, and eventually manage it. One of your ex-UFO folks are one of the ones who is now heavily involved and wishes to remain anonymous. Several are JSC and JPL people.

This vehicle detector would be deployed and monitored from Terran.

You may seriously wish to consider your own involvement. My warning from a year ago still holds--the focus is not NASA but the NRO for what is happening, �out there� in near Earth space.

What is needed still:
1. funding
2. materiels'
3. more open database interface with FermiLabs and those that can come forward without risk of careers.

RAMS

GOM
Hmmmm. Faster than light "objects" that gravity
Mon Oct 25 12:59:39 1999


has no effect on? Most interesting . . .

Are they all going in the same direction? (Relative to our solar system.)

Have they been observed going through solid objects? (Moon, planets etc.)

Have they ever been observed making turns?

Does the speed variation mean that some of them are speeding up or slowing down? Or does the different speeds you quote mean that some "objects" are faster than others? Or are the sensors unable to actually measure the precise speed?

What is the distance range of the sensors? In other words, how far in each direction can we track these "objects"?

What field of view does each sensor have? How many sensors are required to view in all directions?

Why is NRO interested? They pose no apparent threat. Are they interested from a scientific viewpoint?

What's your best guess rams?

Sensor malfunction?

Tachyons?

Do they ever wave as they zip through?

Da Grump

Grendel
Hey Grumps - We talking RODS here? LOL ^
Mon Oct 25 13:03:29 1999

GOM
Nope! Much more sinister . . .
Mon Oct 25 13:09:07 1999


I have confirmation from LQD/HQ that they are PODS . . .

:)

Grendel
Ye Gods - PODS?!! ^
Mon Oct 25 15:53:30 1999

Grendel
Verrrry Interesting!
Mon Oct 25 12:29:31 1999


But I'm having a little trouble with the following:

RAMS: "The 'underground' NASA, those that do wonderful things but so and keep it from Washington until whatever the subject is--is more accepted by all internal parties to protect careers, are very interested in this and those individuals are dead serious on working this."

Not disbelief - just need clarification. My reading of it would go something like this: "There is an 'underground' group within NASA, backed (and funded?) by the NRO, who are involved in the detection of transiting +Sol objects. They are waiting until the rest of NASA leadership comes onboard before revealing the program to Washington. And (from later on in your post) you are in contact with this underground group and working with them in some - as yet - unspecified way"

Have I got that right?

tilos
Though this may come as a shock to some here
Mon Oct 25 16:43:23 1999


I am dedicated to the goals of the "MoonCam" project. I want to discuss some things with Eddie et al and brainstorm.

Waiting.
Watching.

Hoping I don't turn into a pillar of Salt for speaking my Mined.

Keaton
How will daily life be affected?
Mon Oct 25 11:00:17 1999


The fact that the calendar will change soon is hardly of significance to any new discovery. Does the 2,000th anniversary of the birth of Christ have special significance to potential scientific discoveries?

I don't think that the year 2000 has any significance to the human that is mute, blind, and deaf. My point of course is that the presence of Christ has had relevance to the entire world for 2000 years for Christians and non-Christians alike.

Faster than light entities? Angels fit that description.

Space exploration is a worthwhile activity, IMHO. Application of the teachings of great men is simple noble.
Your responsibility is to act in a noble manner while you pursue your activities in space.

Unfortunately Robert A.M. Stephens has failed to meet these basic performance specifications.

Gatekeeper....
I would assume that any NRO data would be locked down....
Mon Oct 25 08:53:45 1999


via the WWW for "Legal" access. A prisoner I don't want to become. Have you tried searching for it via the web?

Is that a viable tactic in your opinion?

Monitoring is likely heavy on NRO.

I'll see what floats.

Gates of Babylon.....Now were cooking with FIRE!

Janet Leigh
Robert...
Mon Oct 25 10:33:06 1999


Are these unknown craft what we see in the STS48 movie
that quickly advances into space just before we see
what looks like something shooting at it?

Also, are the triangle vehicles that have been seen all
over the country the unknown craft or are they ours?

Thanks
Janet