Morris Panders
Some truths about RAMS
Mon Oct 25 13:56:16 1999


Robert would never mentioned this stuff, nor to my knowledge, has never posted anything about this info. But I am and will, anytime and any place.

Thought I'd toss this out there for you sharkys. Read enough and seen enough to say your all full of shit about this fella you call RAMS.


I know all about that bunch up there in the whitefish area and that chruch cult crap that started the affair rumor about Stephens. I Lived there for 19 years until I moved to Augusta, Montana this April.

I attended that church, called then Stillwater Baptist Mission, now called Bible Baptist. Anyhow, that whole group was sort of nuts except Stephens. His wife was Jennifer, not 'Jan', and when I attended there he and Jennifer were supporting about half the church including his parents whose mom had a stroke and were under Medicare but the cost for her treatment was tough and Stephens helped and always had since 1981. At the time I was there Jennifer was a very nice lady of 30. The only problem was her epilepsy. Robert always took very good care of her during seizure time--I know, since I was there many times when she seized in church. She would piss and shit her self and Stephens would patiently clean her up. He took very good care of her as best he could for the 8 days a month she was bedridden for seizures. He cooked, cleaned and helped her until the spell passed and she was back on her feet.

I know alot of this since I also had a Jeep CJ-5 and thats how I met Robert and because of that mutual hobby I got to know him pretty well.. He was very funny, very modest, and very generous to my wife and I.

At the end When Jennifer wandered away from their home Stephens I think had had enough. She had been caught shoplifting numerous times and she had been arrested for writing bad checks on accounts that Robert didn't know about--(call the Flathead County Sheriffs Office, Kalispell, Montana, and asked for the arrest record for Jennifer Stephens). I remember this since he had to bail her out of jail a few times and this was on a church day sometimes so we all found out about it.

Jennifer went sort of crazy at the end and I think she just wore Stephens out. He didn't know what to do with her and how to deal with her. The rest of their life looked to be pretty fun since they were always together and he loved her very much--just didn't know what to do about the epilepsy.

The church there I attended didn't help things too much. It was filled with out of staters who were young and really into the God Thing. They hated everyone. They hated Catholics, blacks, gays, everybody. They were really arrogant assholes too. The pastor was a really huge fat guy who would somehow get every sermon around to 'niggers' this and that. And always preaching the horror of Catholics. Stephens was never into that. I know this since after my first visit to this church and that fat ass pastor directed his whole sermon against me and my wife and our Catholic background, it was Robert and Jennifer who came to our home and apologized for the pastor guys behavior.

The people that go to that 'church', if it can be called that, are the most hateful bastards I ever knew and I'd never go there again.

The Johnsons entered the picture about fall of '96. I and a bunch of the church and Stephens were all getting wood up in the state section, an area that was filled with lodgepole and larch, two woods that burn really well and that Stephens loves to cut in the late summer and fall for himself, his folks, and anyone who needs it. Scott Johnson was in need of wood and lived in a trailer court nearby. Him and Stephens had known each other for about 15 years then. Scott had lossed his foot and was hard up so him and Stephens traded out some work so Johnsons had food and wood and Stephens got some Jeep work done.

Stephens has always loved kids and he loved the Johnsons kids. That is where the �affair� stuff started and it was started by those assholes at that �church�--(trust me, it was a cult in the classic sense). Stephens and Johnson two teen daughters and Jennifer were always out there in the woods cutting firewood by them selves of with the Johnsons or others from the church. I was there and had two big picnic dinners with them all out there and watched Stephens with everyone. He was hilarious since his sense of humor is something else.

Johnsons were always with the Stephens and vice versa and Jennifer was very good with the Johnson girls. They had them over at the Stephens place and the girls loved Robert and his crazy antics.

After Jennifer was gone and the church was no longer around I learned that they had really pushed the issue of �affair� and the Johnsons girls. It was never true but most people under that sort of accusation and losing one�s wife too would have gone under. Stephens never did. He just shrugged and said, �that�s life and that is people, they come and go like the wind.�

I ran into Robert later after he was doing some contract work for the Jore Corporation down in Ronan. He told me how Rick Hull, Jennifer�s new live in, a 55 year old bachelor who is balding and nutty, called Jore and told them that Stephens was as threat to their new computer system. They fired him without checking anything out. I ask him what he thought of that sort of stalking stuff and he shrugged and said, that sort of vindictive stuff always comes back on one. He didn�t seem to care one way or another.

When I met him he was doing his online NASA work and Railroad model work as well as art and was doing fine. He was down in the St. Ignatius area and the Johnsons lived with him. I don�t think anyone is supporting Stephens as I think its the other way around. He always made a great living since I remember seeing him the paper when he was 27 driving around in a Rolls-Royce. Still have the clipping from the Kalispell Weekly News.

Looking at all these attacks on someone you don�t know made me speak up. Robert Stephens is one of most honorable men I ever knew and his ex-wife, and I think you all have to keep this in mind about epileptics, is a liar and out of her mind. You should have seen where they lived along the Stillwater River--it was gorgeous. She was anything but 'mistreated'. I know that for a fact and so does my wife.

So, people, believe what you will. I was there, saw it all till the end, and have known Stephens in a world that has nothing to do with this UFO crap.
Sorry to blow your bubble. But every negative thing said about him over this past several months are lies, at leat from this UFO world.

Stephens would never talk about his personal life, as Art Bell and others would about their own kin, but I am talking for him. If he don't like it he knows where to find me.

Morris P.

Anonymous
Prove this...
Mon Oct 25 14:40:42 1999


"Still have the clipping from the Kalispell Weekly News."

Have someone scan it and upload it here.

Morris Panders
You prove it and you find the article
Mon Oct 25 14:44:03 1999


and you upload it since that is how the rest of our world works when one refutes a claim of fact.

Its your call.

What I posted is fact and true.

Morris P.

Richard
Oh, give me a break!
Mon Oct 25 15:31:17 1999


This Morris P guy is obviously RAMS. Look at the writing styles and compare...he even tries to fool you all with improper personal pronoun usage such as "him and me". Don't be so gullible people.

Anonymous
Deal, I'll do my best^
Mon Oct 25 14:47:45 1999

Anonymous
Only newspaper in Kalispell...
Mon Oct 25 15:10:50 1999


is the:

NEWSPAPERS
DAILY INTER LAKE
PO BOX 7610 KALISPELL, MONTANA 59901 PH: 755-7000

All Montana Area Codes Are (406)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chamber of Commerce

Morris Panders
The Kalispell Weekly News
Mon Oct 25 15:22:01 1999


may be sold or out of business. The Ex-owner of it is George Ostrom, a real character, who now owns KOFI radio. He knows Robert personally and would be good for verification. He would remember the Rolls and the many articles they did on him over the years after he became famous in the arts.

KOFI Radio is at : 406-755-6690

Their address is:

KOFI
317 1st Ave East
Kalispell, MT 59901

Morris P.

theo
To Morris
Mon Oct 25 14:56:03 1999


This is all very interesting.

Can you shed some light on the rumor that the Johnson's are members of some renegade Mormon sect? I would like to lay that one to rest, personally.

-t.

Morris Panders
Morris To Theo
Mon Oct 25 15:30:31 1999


Theo,

About Mormon sects or cults and such: All that stuff is pretty much heavily frowned on here in Montana. People leave well enough alone until someone infringes on others. Stephens and Johnson and so many other independent Montanan types like them don't have much to do with the churchin stuff period, especially cults or werido stuff. Stephens joined that church in Whitefish since he always was interested in fundamental Baptist doctrine but that outfit was terrible, as he found out and dropped away from. Johnsons don't go to any church or are involved with anything like it. They went to Stillwater Baptist Mission one time but were assailed for the Catholic background of Scott's wife and that was the end of that.

Stephens mostly is into horses. At this late state in life at 47 I don't think he's much intersted in marriage, church or anything. When I saw him in Ronan he had his horse in a trailer behind the Jeep he always drives and had been riding down along the river scouting for Fall hunting spots.

And on the Reservation there is very little in the way of white man's religion. Probably why Stephens is down there now instead of the more busy north Falthead.

Morris P.

Anonymous
Re: Morris To Theo
Mon Oct 25 15:46:35 1999


I must point out that the Mormons are very active in Montana, especially around Missoula.

theo
Thanks Morris
Mon Oct 25 15:35:30 1999


Thank you! This clears up a lot.

EJ, if you're reading this, I once again wish to apologize to you for suspecting some pretty awful things about you this summer. As I got to know you better though, it became harder and harder to believe any of them, but there remained some lingering traces of doubt. I'm glad this Morris gentleman has put the final nail in the coffin of my suspicions.

-t.

Anonymous
Re: To Morris
Mon Oct 25 15:07:08 1999


Shame on you for waiting so long to come forth.

Did Bob only recently inform you of his bbs?

Theo
Again, for Morris
Mon Oct 25 15:28:10 1999


I've been here all along. We are miscommunicating, but let me explain.

I am no fan of your friend Robert, at least as he presents himself on these boards, but I would like to clear up an evil rumor regarding him that has been simmering under the surface of much that is posted on these boards.

Several of us received an email that contained terrible allegations about Robert and the Johnson family. This info was much worse than the Jennifer Bell information. As time passed, I began to disbelieve these rumors, especially as I got to know EJ a bit and since the person who sent me the email couldn't back it up with evidence. The cornerstone, so to speak, of this rumor was that EJ was involved in a Mormon sect which encouraged him to practice the wickedness in the rumor.

I would like you, as a person who knows these people personally, to put an end to this aspect of the rumor. Like a row of dominoes, the whole vicious story will collapse if you just knock over the first domino.

I don't know Mr. Stephens personally, and BTW, I have tried to ask this question before but got yelled at.

-t.

Morris Panders
Morris to Theo again
Mon Oct 25 15:41:13 1999



Theo
Again, for Morris
Mon Oct 25 15:28:10 1999


I've been here all along. We are mis-communicating, but let me explain.

I am no fan of your friend Robert, at least as he presents himself on these boards, but I would like to clear up an evil rumor regarding him that has been simmering under the surface of much that is posted on these boards.

Several of us received an email that contained terrible allegations about Robert and the Johnson family. This info was much worse than the Jennifer Bell information. As time passed, I began to dis-believe these rumors, especially as I got to know EJ a bit and since the person who sent me the email couldn't back it up with evidence.

The cornerstone, so to speak, of this rumor was that EJ was involved in a Mormon sect which encouraged him to practice the wickedness in the rumor.

I would like you, as a person who knows these people personally, to put an end to this aspect of the rumor. Like a row of dominoes, the whole vicious story will collapse if you just knock over the first domino.

I don't know Mr. Stephens personally, and BTW, I have tried to ask this question before but got yelled at.

=========================================================================

Theo again,

Rumors like that are sort of sick. Accusing RAMS, or Scott Johnson of werido sex stuff is like saying that your Art Bell was leader of the Branch Davidians. It just isn't so.

Montana is very rural. The ranch and cowboy era is still here and alive. It is very different than the rest of the nation I can assure you. I say that to make clear it is very common here in Montana for people, all combinations, to 'partner up' as they say. I think Johnsons kidnapped Stephens from Stillwater since they knew he would bunk by himself in his studio and they thought he should have a more social life. I'm conviced this is true since when I ask what Robert was doing when I ran into him at the Western Ourdoor store in Ronan he said, "me and Scott pardnered up down in St. Ignatius. I'm not alone and Scott got a extra bread winner. Its worked out well."

Again, this sort of living is normal in Montana.

But, no religious shenanigans I can assure you and no sex either. Robert or Scott would never do that. They are both very good men, throwbacks to an earlier era of our nation's culture.

Hope this helps dispel something that awful.

theo
"My" Art Bell?
Mon Oct 25 15:44:08 1999


Now why would you make that comment, I wonder...

Suspicious I am.

Richard
MAJOR BLUNDER!
Mon Oct 25 15:49:34 1999


You said..."Montana is very rural. The ranch and cowboy era is still *here* and alive."

If you are from Florida, why did you say this sentence like you are in Montana now? OOPS!

Try again RAMS.

Morris Panders
You are nuts
Mon Oct 25 15:58:27 1999


Richard
MAJOR BLUNDER!
Mon Oct 25 15:49:34 1999


You said..."Montana is very rural. The ranch and cowboy era is still *here* and alive."

If you are from Florida, why did you say this sentence like you are in Montana now? OOPS!

Try again RAMS.

==========================

Never been to Florida. Am here in Great Falls. I live in Augusta. Why do you go off on Florida?

Don't get it.

Morris P.

Richard
Again RAMS
Mon Oct 25 16:04:35 1999


you say...

"Don't get it."

Most people say, "I don't get it."

RAMS always drops the (I) from these type of sentences just like you. Check 'em out people as he he does this many times in his posts. Imagine that.

Morris Panders
magine that
Mon Oct 25 16:07:59 1999


magine that.


Morris P.

Teacher
So, RAMS didn't live up....
Mon Oct 25 15:56:26 1999


to this the last couple of days:

Morris stated:
"Robert or Scott would never do that. They are both very good men, throwbacks to an earlier era of our nation's culture."

Teacher

Grand Vizier
Re: Some truths about RAMS
Mon Oct 25 15:01:07 1999


Excuse me all to hell my friend....but who was talking about ufo's, huh? As far as I can tell, the folks here at Hazy were discussing nuts and bolts, and and how to go about making solid contacts, and how some things about NASA's activities recently don't quite add up. All we have had to go on for months now was "RAMS" behavior on the internet and over the airwaves. It wasn't a pretty picture. And his recent debut, no make that miraculous resurrection, here at Hazy did nothing to dispel my opinion of him. IMO, RAMS is a master of deception, obfuscation and diversion, and could teach politicians a thing or two about the adroit use of smoke and mirrors, and psychoanalyzing your opponent.
That was a very nice little picture you painted of Robert Stephens, and one can only hope that each and every word of it is true. It's getting harder all the time to find genuine heroes.

Morris Panders
RE: Grand Vizier/RAMS
Mon Oct 25 15:15:09 1999


Grand Vizier
Re: Some truths about RAMS
Mon Oct 25 15:01:07 1999


Excuse me all to hell my friend....but who was talking about ufo's, huh? As far as I can tell,the folks here at Hazy were discussing nuts and bolts, and and how to go about
making solid contacts, and how some things about NASA's activities recently don't quite add up. All we have had to go on for months now was "RAMS" behavior on the
internet and over the airwaves. It wasn't a pretty picture. And his recent debut, no make that miraculous resurrection, here at Hazy did nothing to dispel my opinion of
him. IMO, RAMS is a master of deception, obfuscation and diversion, and could teach politicians a thing or two about the adroit use of smoke and mirrors, and
psychoanalyzing your opponent.
That was a very nice little picture you painted of Robert Stephens, and one can only hope that each and every word of it is true. It's getting harder all the time to find
genuine heroes.

=========================

I'm not a UFO person. Just went in to these sites after I got my used mac and went online 3 months ago.

Just wanted to post the truth as I knew it and have known for all these years. Every single word I wrote, and the flesh and blood behind them, are all true to the letter.

As far as RAMS and this UFO business I think he has a had a lot of fun here. He is a wealth of information but it was hard to get it out of him. When I and Katy did, he would pull out all these countles files, pictures, data, CAD drawings and more files. He generally lost me but he was patient with me.

9 years ago he had one of his ex-SEAL buddies come from Arkansas to visit for a week. Stephens never talked about this much to anyone but him and this fella went on and went and really shared much info. They went off on the NASA stuff and what they thought of 'things not of this world'. I wish I had taped it then.

Morris P.

Grand Vizier
Re: RE: Grand Vizier/RAMS
Mon Oct 25 15:36:43 1999


Don't feel too bad my friend, but you've been duped by one of the best!

Anonymous
help me out Morris...I'm a little...
Mon Oct 25 15:23:56 1999


confused, maybe because it's Monday.

You stated:
"9 years ago he had one of his ex-SEAL buddies"

are you saying RAMS was also an ex-seal or just this one buddie?

Serenity
How did you know the buddy was...
Mon Oct 25 15:35:41 1999


...an ex-SEAL? If you know his name, have you checked this out? Or is that what RAMS told you? RAMS told us he was an ex-Navy SEAL, but the SEALS have denied this.

Morris Panders
Morris to Serenity
Mon Oct 25 15:51:30 1999


Serenity
How did you know the buddy was...
Mon Oct 25 15:35:41 1999


...an ex-SEAL? If you know his name, have you checked this out? Or is that what RAMS told you? RAMS told us he was an ex-Navy SEAL, but the SEALS have
denied this.

===============================================

He was a SEAL and so was the other fella. That was the whole point the guy came to see Stephens from Arkansas. But Stephens never talked about this and he never ever mentions it to anyone ever. He never told stories and he never much talked about overseas at all that I or my wife can remember. I found out from the other fella after he was here, not from Robert. It's hard to believe that Robert 'told everyone on the internet' about this since this isn't his style--he never mentioned it for all the years I knew him until that week the ex-navy fella came to visit. I think someone is trying to screw Stephens on this in my opinion.

Morris P.

Anonymous
Re: Morris to Serenity
Mon Oct 25 15:55:56 1999


http://The-South.Com/TheTeams/fakers.shtml
PHONY SEAL POSTERCHILD '98: ROBERT A.M.
STEPHENS
Robert A.M. Stephens laid claim to being a SEAL Reservist
attached to SEAL Team THREE, a NASA Space Shuttle
contractor and a government "BlackOps insider" with
information on everything from UFO cow lip research to
DoD Kaptain Krunch decoder rings. He foisted his nonsense
to hundreds of thousands of listeners on the Art Bell
radio program until we hoisted him up by his skivvies on
the yardarm.

You can learn all about this SEAL Phony and his psychotic
pandering to conspiracy buffs across the good ol' U. S.
of A. by visiting the Borderland Sciences website

UPDATE: Stephens was apparently so upset over his
exposure as a phony SEAL that he has regressed into
spasms of unintelligible drivel between bouts of
near-vegetative drooling and uncontrollable twitching.
Well, at least he is no longer claiming to have been a
SEAL. NASA has also publicy stated that Stephens has
never been affiliated with them in any regard (i.e. his
entire "life" is a lie).

It seems he is also involved in some sort of litigation
with Art Bell as a result of being exposed worldwide as a
complete fraud in every aspect (SEALs, NASA etc. etc.
etc...) Clearly Stephens is highly agitated about having
his lies revealed. But, that's what we do here to phony
SEALs like Mr. Wannabe. As for Art Bell, well, no one
around here can recall ever hearing his radio show.

If you would like to let this premium loser know what a
specimen he is, contact him at any of the following
locales:

Robert A.M. Stephens
E-mail: [email protected]
Tel: (406) 745-3818
34171 Hwy. 93
St. Ignatius, MT 59865

Morris Panders
SEALS
Mon Oct 25 16:05:50 1999



Anonymous
Re: Morris to Serenity
Mon Oct 25 15:55:56 1999


http://The-South.Com/TheTeams/fakers.shtml
PHONY SEAL POSTERCHILD '98: ROBERT A.M.
STEPHENS
Robert A.M. Stephens laid claim to being a SEAL Reservist
attached to SEAL Team THREE, a NASA Space Shuttle
contractor and a government "BlackOps insider" with
information on everything from UFO cow lip research to
DoD Kaptain Krunch decoder rings. He foisted his nonsense
to hundreds of thousands of listeners on the Art Bell
radio program until we hoisted him up by his skivvies on
the yardarm.

You can learn all about this SEAL Phony and his psychotic
pandering to conspiracy buffs across the good ol' U. S.
of A. by visiting the Borderland Sciences website

UPDATE: Stephens was apparently so upset over his
exposure as a phony SEAL that he has regressed into
spasms of unintelligible drivel between bouts of
near-vegetative drooling and uncontrollable twitching.
Well, at least he is no longer claiming to have been a
SEAL. NASA has also publicy stated that Stephens has
never been affiliated with them in any regard (i.e. his
entire "life" is a lie).

It seems he is also involved in some sort of litigation
with Art Bell as a result of being exposed worldwide as a
complete fraud in every aspect (SEALs, NASA etc. etc.
etc...) Clearly Stephens is highly agitated about having
his lies revealed. But, that's what we do here to phony
SEALs like Mr. Wannabe. As for Art Bell, well, no one
around here can recall ever hearing his radio show.

If you would like to let this premium loser know what a
specimen he is, contact him at any of the following
locales:

Robert A.M. Stephens
E-mail: [email protected]
Tel: (406) 745-3818
34171 Hwy. 93
St. Ignatius, MT 59865

================================

I think those digital guys are funny. I think that above is really funny. You people believe what 'feels' the best it seems.

Morris P.

theo
curious
Mon Oct 25 16:10:23 1999


RAMS always responds to posts by reposting the whole message, drawing a double line, and answering.

Richard
Right on Theo
Mon Oct 25 16:17:25 1999


Another smart one here that can't be fooled.

theo
->>chuckle<<-
Mon Oct 25 16:19:25 1999


Well, as you can see, I was fooled for a little while.

: )

Grendel
Good shot, Theo! Bullseye, I think. ^
Mon Oct 25 16:19:25 1999

Richard
Well, RAMS .....
Mon Oct 25 16:13:06 1999


You can at least acknowledge that there is one person here smart enough to know it is you who is posting as Morris P.

You said, "I think those digital guys are funny."

RAMS is the only one I ever saw call the seals "digital" and it was on his Shady Pines.

Gotcha again.

Anonymous
Re: SEALS
Mon Oct 25 16:14:34 1999


No, no, no...RAMS wasn't a Navy Seal...he BLEW a seal on a snowmobile trip north of the Arctic Circle!

Anonymous
"Digital Guys"?
Mon Oct 25 16:18:19 1999


I think those digital guys are funny. I think that above is really funny. You people
believe what 'feels' the best it seems.

Morris P.
----------------------------
Gee Wizz Thats just how RAMS refers to them.

Richard
Morris P. is RAMS
Mon Oct 25 15:38:14 1999


Do you need it spelled out for you? Or do you believe just because his IP is different (from Florida) that it must be someone else? Get a grip people.

Hazy Editor
Time to become credible, Morris
Mon Oct 25 16:23:25 1999


Morris, I've done some checking and learned the following things:

     1 - You could be posting from Montana on Foxlink Net - but the closest access number posted on their site is in Billings - a very long way away from Great Falls & farther still from Augusta. In other words, it could be very, very expensive for you to have an Internet access unless there are local access numbers not published on Foxlink's site.

     2 - There is no listing for Morris Panders in Montana. I've lived in Montana - very few people there choose to remain unlisted. That makes you the exception and not the rule.

     3 - I see why others say your writing is consistent with Stephens' style.

Now Morris, I invite you - encourage you to send me your phone number at the e-mail address I've provided. I will call you at a time you say is convenient and will verify that I have spoken with you on this board. I've talked to Stephens several times. I've talked with Johnson often enough to call him a good friend. If you're for real - you should have no problems sending the e-mail. Since credibility does seem to be an important issue now - let's put what can turn into an ugly issue behind us directly.

GOM
Hazy Editor, I have some berry, berry bad news for ya . . .
Mon Oct 25 17:08:43 1999


Fruit Loop Alert!!!

I wouldn't expect a rational conversation with an irrational "person" . . .

Da Grump

:(

GOM
P,S. I think we can all figure out why you get no
Mon Oct 25 17:52:32 1999


response . . .

:(

Morris Panders
It is me
Mon Oct 25 15:45:53 1999


It is me. I've never been to Flordia and I don't intend on going. Stephens is in St. Ignatius, still, I'm certain.

You are sure conspiracy proned people.

I'm posting from my business where I work three days a week in Great Falls, about 80 miles southeast of Augusta. The rest of the week I'm in Augusta, Montana, my home.

Morris P.

Richard
So who is your internet service provider?
Mon Oct 25 15:51:47 1999

Morris Panders
To Richard, I do not understand
Mon Oct 25 16:02:14 1999


Richard
So who is your internet service provider?
Mon Oct 25 15:51:47 1999

===========================

Over the last 3 months I've been on the internet and watching the UFO stuff I'm puzzled at how you people pry and doubt everything. You want very personal things on people, yet, you do not even use your real names when you ask. Explain?

I watched what you did to Stephens and others. Sort of funny as long as you keep it in tune with the fact this place, the internet, is crazy.

Morris P.

Janet Leigh
Just Totally Unbelievable
Mon Oct 25 16:05:35 1999


And some of you (newbies) wonder why Robert has lost
it on these boards...I admit he is a cool head, but
sheezzzzz, I am too, and I completely understand why
he cleaned out his email when he returned from the
hospital and refused to get online with any of us
again...

Robert, please don't let these skeptic's (about everything)
ruination spread, if ever you were going to have a cause
make it be to engage these idiots if for no other reason
but for the ones who need your input and influence.

I am with you buddy, and that's damn near an army in
its self. ;) Please!

We are waiting for you over at BEHOLD V
Janet

Richard
To Janet
Mon Oct 25 16:08:15 1999


You of all people should know it is RAMS. Stop worshipping for a moment and think woman.

Janet Leigh
Richard...I know one thing....
Mon Oct 25 16:22:07 1999


this whole thing is the craziest I have ever seen...
Let me tell you something, years ago, I worked at a
State institution full of people like Robert's ex-wife
with the same problems...I wrote the training programs
for the dorm staff to initiate...I helped the staff
people from time to time care for these sad individuals
this is where I learned for the first time as a young
woman, that I was selfishly spending my life wishing for
more, until I was faced with looking into the very soles
of the life these poor people have been handed...I can't
being married to someone with this disorder, however now
I am much better equiped to deal with it. Now this is
an area I am expert in...Robert and I talked about this
on the telephone not long after all this crap started...

I questioned him extensively, I knew he was telling me
the truth. At that state facility were I was for six
years, they also had the insane...I am not saying this to
be ugly...but some of you people are showing signs of
this for sure...others of you are showing that you are!
Then some of you just don't know what to think, I know...
but this too is off base, as you have all been told by
several of us and not in a yelling manner, (Theo). E.J.
spent very much time on here telling you all the rumors
were lies...yet you continue to bring up the questions.

As long as RAMS wants to continue on in this venue, I
will be there, when he is gone I am also gone.
Janet Leigh

PS This post is not written in anger...it is written in
amazement...once I wrote a note on the bottom of a message
to Robert after some simular BS and I quote:
"baby, I'm amazed"

Anonymous
RAMS, please go away...and by the by,
Mon Oct 25 21:00:36 1999


When did they classify epilepsy as a mental illness? Did I miss class that day?

Janet Leigh
I don't think RAMS can answer that
Mon Oct 25 23:10:43 1999


Anonymous
RAMS, please go away...and by the by,
Mon Oct 25 21:00:36 1999


When did they classify epilepsy as a mental illness? Did I miss class that day?
=====================================
but I certainly can...the state facility opened here
back in the late 30's. It was used for everything from
epilepsy to bi polar disorders, etc. It was the only
facility in about a 300 mile radius..Believe it or not
not all seizures are controllable.

Janet
Janet

Anonymous
Re: Just Totally Unbelievable
Mon Oct 25 16:10:45 1999


Mantras and chanting will begin shortly after our delicious supper of gruel has been consummated.
ALL HAIL, MIGHTY RAMS!!!

Janet Leigh
My Master will
Mon Oct 25 16:38:17 1999


be most pleased to hear you saying this...

You may now take a sip of drink...

"Hail King RAMS"

Janet Leigh
Joan of Arc

theo
Four comments
Mon Oct 25 16:39:16 1999


A few things.

1. You never "yelled" at me Janet, but some people did.

2. The questions were never answered in a clear manner. If they had been answered clearly, much of this uncertainty would have ended months ago.

3. I wrote my earlier post in an attempt to put an end to the vicious rumors once and for all. This was actually a "pro-RAMS and EJ" effort on my part. Anyone can see that. But I think I was tricked. Again.

4. Just because we have cause to believe that Morris might be RAMS, that doesn't' mean that everything in Morris/RAMS's letter is untrue. I'm sure much of it is true.

-t.

tilos
I see things have gotten interesting
Mon Oct 25 15:47:58 1999


Wonder what inspired all the sudden activity?

And some think PC's are overrated HA!

GOM
Tilos, Man you ask those really tough . . .
Mon Oct 25 17:04:36 1999


questions. How about solar flares? No?

OK . . How about the full moon I saw last night? Still no?

Well then, what? Defective programming? What?? What??? Tell us!

Spare us the agony of not knowing!!!

Y2K? No? Come on man, I'm beggin' ya . . .

Ohhhhh . . . . Fruit Loops? Hmmmmm. Forgot about that!

Morris Panders
I am going over to the Behold V
Mon Oct 25 16:13:56 1999


BBS to post. I can only post for another hour or so then back to work outside.

Morris P.

Richard
Yes, go home
Mon Oct 25 16:19:47 1999


That is where you belong as it is YOUR bbs RAMS.

Grendel
Well shucks, Morris...
Mon Oct 25 16:30:29 1999


Y'all seem like a good 'ol boy, even if you do pander. Y'all come back real soon, now. We'll keep a light on
in the window. :)

Teacher
I don't know about the rest of ya....
Mon Oct 25 16:27:02 1999


but I'm getting really tired (for those who care) of this RAMS person having a meltdown the last couple of days, then the other day, he posts in a civil manner, now most everyone here believes Morris P is RAMS and he's screwing w/us again.

Teacher

Debaser
I'm just waiting for...
Mon Oct 25 17:54:51 1999


everyone to either get over it and move on with their life or start complaining about how this RAMS thing got blown all up again. Seems to me some around here are much more active when there's someone to attack than when there's ideas and challenges to conquer.

Hmmm...think that could have anything to do with the "problems of UFOlogy" that have been eluded to?

Jason

theo
A possible reason
Mon Oct 25 18:06:51 1999


Well, we all have an opinion about RAMS, and not many of us can think of anything constructive to say about the MoonCam. This is not a criticism of the MoonCam, but beyond commenting "Whoa, cool idea!" there's not much a lot of us can say. I myself have wandered off to a Medieval History newsgroup, but I like everyone here so much that I keep looking in to see how everyone is.

But RAMS- we ALL have an opinion about him! We can ALL think of a thing or two to say on that topic.

That's why, I think. It's easier to point out an inconsistency in one of RAMS' posts than to calculate lunar satellite trajectories.

-t.

tilos
Theo...I think RAMS may be saying more than even he realizes
Mon Oct 25 18:16:19 1999


I've gone off on tangents before but I have a strong feeling about this one.

I already see the knee-jerk reaction I was expecting.

margie
Confusion rain (mine)
Mon Oct 25 18:41:33 1999


Theo wrote ~ not many of us can think of anything constructive to say about the MoonCam. This is not a criticism of the MoonCam, but beyond commenting "Whoa, cool idea!" there's not much a lot of us can say.

Way over my head, but I like the people too..


Tilos, what do you mean?
Is it about what rams says about space, or him (or both) you are speaking about?

margie

tilos
What I think he was trying to tell someone(s)
Mon Oct 25 19:09:43 1999


that would see his 1.1c.ly teaser.

I'm not sure if I found what he wanted me to but I sure found some interesting things.

I need to reflect for awhile before I do anything overtly stupid as I was fairly worked up over some of it.

We all have our little meltdowns. Trust me it could have been worse.

LOL

How's that for clearing things up.

Grumpy
Well, as my grampy used to say . . .
Mon Oct 25 19:16:05 1999


That's clear as mud!

:)

Teacher
Jason...
Mon Oct 25 23:15:51 1999


"Seems to me some around here are much more active when there's someone to attack than when there's ideas and challenges to conquer."

and your referring to who?

Teacher

Debaser
Teacher...
Tue Oct 26 00:24:41 1999


no one in particular and pointing fingers directly wouldn't be of any good anyway. It wasn't meant as much to try to insult or demean anyone as to try to spur thought as to what everyone's more interested in...it just may not have been stated as well as possible to achieve that motivation.

Jason

Teacher
You know Jason...
Tue Oct 26 00:32:38 1999


from someone who is not totally involved in this BBS or in the Moon Project, it just seems to me, some (won't name any names) don't want this project to continue. Now, since I'm not involved in this project, you might say, who cares what he thinks, but again from someone looking in from the outside, it looks like their are bad forces (for lack of a better term) watching your every step and trying to derail your efforts. Just something to think about.

Teacher

Debaser
Re: You know...
Tue Oct 26 01:23:51 1999


Teacher
You know Jason...
Tue Oct 26 00:32:38 1999

from someone who is not totally involved in this BBS or in the Moon Project, it just seems to me, some (won't name any names) don't want this project to continue. Now, since I'm not involved in this project, you might say, who cares what he thinks, but again from someone looking in from the outside, it looks like their are bad forces (for lack of a better term) watching your every step and trying to derail your efforts. Just something to think about.

Teacher
==================

Thanks for the heads-up, Teacher. That's not the first time I've heard that recently and if those efforts are being attempted...well, there's a bit of disappointment in store for the source :)

More importantly, though, these projects that we're undertaking are open for all and while some may put in more work here or there everyone's input is most welcome...even needed! For me, everyone who posts or reads here is part of the project as they're part of the board. So yes, I do care what you think about what you said. I don't think its something to focus on because that in itself would be difficult to prove and distracting, but it is interesting to keep in mind to avoid the possible distractions. A parallel for me is NASA's public stance on UFO's: it would be great if they're out there but even if they are we have to do it ourselves for it to be the most productive.

Jason

GOM
Good point Jason. Teach, you are welcome
Tue Oct 26 01:37:23 1999


to participate in MoonCam. It was only e.j.'e insinuation that it was a closed group. Personally, I believe that any great idea whose time has come will be unstoppable. I hope this is a great idea. I hope you will spread the word. I think there is strength in numbers.

We are experiencing a momentary "glitch", which I think will be overcome shortly. Anyway, back to MoonCam:

For example, I have no technical training, but I participate in a limited way. I asked Jason to write a rough draft for me, because of his excellent mastery of the language. That rough draft was intended to be my personal letter to NASA to attempt to get things on a more positive plateau. Once Jason had posted the letter for me, or even perhaps before that, the board got so excited about the whole concept that it has kind of snowballed into something much bigger (and better in my opinion) than what my individual effort could have ever produced.

Pardon me for running on . . .

I'm usually a man of few words, but I would really like this MoonCam fly, baby, fly!!!

Please feel free to contribute, and also let anyone else you know that might be interested.

Thanks and good night,

Da Grump

:)

Teacher
GOM, thanks for the invite...
Tue Oct 26 01:51:22 1999


I'll try my best (very lacking on the space knowledge stuff) to contribute and spread the word.

Teacher

GOM
Teacher, I am lacking also, but I am interested.
Tue Oct 26 02:22:06 1999


Good common sense is always helpful too, and that you seem to have. So welcome aboard! The more technical ones will usually take at least a little time to explain, if asked.

Da Grump

And btw, if I let it rip once in a while: I usually put a SSS warning = Severe Sarcasm Syndrome. Some people don't always understand my posts, or my sense of humor, apparently - but I do not want to cause trouble - so always feel free to ask if you're not sure what I mean. We have a lot of good people here, and some great ideas to discuss!

Later . . .

John Glenn
Truth about Robert Stephens
Mon Oct 25 16:45:30 1999


Hi guys, I just happened to stumble on this bbs while trying to access Mission Control in Houston. I noticed you are all discussing my good friend and fellow Apollo crew member Robert AM Stephens. I am shocked and quite apalled that you would ever doubt the integrety of Comander Stephens.
There was not one single Apollo mission that could have been completed without the heroic and Top Secret direction of our beloved secret comander.
I recall one secret mission in particular that was sabatoged by RAMS evil, crazy ex-wife Jen, if it were not for RAMS "down home" Montana 6th sense, his integrety and all around "cowboyishniss" we would never have been able to launch the NRO/Blind Transum Silver Veil Satalite System that Ol Robert had built from spare model train parts.
My wife and I were short on campain funds a few years back and Robert loaned my campain millions without even asking for a receipt.
On another occasion Robert was staying at my home for the weekend in order to help my family repair damage from a flood. Robert doned an authentic Navy Seal scuba outfit and single handedly unclogged the toilet that was causing the water damage by using a rubber plunger and some top secret liquid Draino

Catfish Hunter
A tip of the hat whoever^
Tue Oct 26 18:22:28 1999

Richard
Well I guess I got it all wrong
Mon Oct 25 16:55:18 1999


Now, with Mr. Glenn's report added to the mix, I have to assume it is all true. Sorry RAMS for ever doubting you.

GOM
Kinda makes ya go all teary-eyed, don't it? ^
Mon Oct 25 17:39:04 1999

Catfish Hunter
Knuckleballs and curves etc
Mon Oct 25 18:13:40 1999


Who's on first? In all seriousness, y'all got to look at the big picture. Lots of chuckles in the on deck circle. Just one question. Is all the comedy for myself and others enjoyment or do some posters not see they are being kidded big time?

E.J.
Good point
Mon Oct 25 18:26:14 1999


humor is in short supply here at times. But by god we have plenty of assumptions. :):) In all fairness though, many have good reason.
e.j.

GOM
Hello E.J. - Might I ask what good reasons?
Mon Oct 25 18:44:36 1999


Or would that be asking too much?

E.J.
GOM are you sure
Mon Oct 25 20:02:42 1999


you do not work for the FBI?? ")(" :):) or is that just a rumor?:)
e.j.

GOM
LOL!!! Why would you start that rumor
Mon Oct 25 23:30:43 1999


unless you have something very deep dark and sinister to hide???!!!

LOL!!!

E.J.
You will just have to
Tue Oct 26 00:16:13 1999


do a better job, then what you have been doing, to find out GOM. maybe yes , maybe no.
e.j.

Serenity
E.J., seems to me I've heard that song before. n/m
Tue Oct 26 00:23:58 1999

Teacher
Again Serenity, you beat me to the punch^
Tue Oct 26 00:25:46 1999

E.J.
Well Girls beat this
Tue Oct 26 00:32:04 1999


KISS MY :):):):)

Serenity
EJ: Was that "kiss my lips"? ...
Tue Oct 26 00:44:51 1999


Didn't quite get that last word, but sorta looked like lips smiling.

Teacher
E.J. now that was un-called for...
Tue Oct 26 00:35:03 1999


and BTW, I'm a male.

Teacher

E.J.
Well Man
Tue Oct 26 00:41:46 1999


Thats how the FBI gets the information they want. Teacher Man

Teacher
E.J. I could care less what...
Tue Oct 26 00:56:41 1999


info you know about me. Really, don't care!

Teacher

margie
But you fell into some trap, lol!^
Tue Oct 26 01:04:00 1999


whether you care or not.


If that was planned, then it was an interesting technique.

If it just fell into place after the fact, then you be quick and clever to pick up on it.

margie

Don't take offense teacher, I'm not commenting on
any issues, or arguments, just on a single information gathering technique from that one post.

E.J.
Margie
Tue Oct 26 03:02:26 1999


Your insight's have always been right on. Keep on, keeping on.
E.J.

Teacher
even more of an idiot then I first thought^
Tue Oct 26 22:09:50 1999

E.J.
I always THOUGHT you where one :):)
Wed Oct 27 04:25:17 1999

Teacher
Oh sure, lets see....
Wed Oct 27 10:23:48 1999


shacking up with someone in order to meet expenses, hummm, didn't know how to turn on a computer until 4 months ago, hummm, unable spell or even at least use a spellchecker, hummm, lame one line posts that have no meaning or bearing on the topic being discussed within the thread.

Oops, sorry your not an idiot at all. Must be the wrong E.J.

Teacher